NEXT: X-Factor

[00:00:01] Speaker A: Hey, welcome to X Factor. I'm Kristen. [00:00:04] Speaker B: And I'm Ashley. [00:00:05] Speaker A: And we're excited that you guys are here today. X Factor is the third step in our discipleship program called Next. So hopefully you've already been to Newcomers, had lunch with us. [00:00:15] Speaker B: Yes. [00:00:15] Speaker A: Something after service. And you've checked out Essentials, which is the second class, kind of asking questions about what do we believe and why, what's essential to our faith, what's not. Right. And so this one is X for X Factor. We're going to be talking a little bit about the Enneagram and spiritual gifts. [00:00:32] Speaker B: Yes. [00:00:33] Speaker A: Yes. So this is the only class that had homework, Right? Just a little bit of homework. [00:00:38] Speaker B: A little bit. [00:00:38] Speaker A: Hopefully you were able to take both of the assessments, which are not tests per se, just tools. If you have not taken those assessments yet, you may want to go ahead and do that so you can have your data in front of you as we're talking through these different things. So we will start with the Enneagram. We love the Enneagram. [00:00:55] Speaker B: We do. [00:00:56] Speaker A: We love it so much. So the Enneagram is just a tool. This might be something that you've heard of before. It is for your personality. It's about motivation. It's not necessarily a personality test. And we want to tell you a little bit about why we like it. So for me personally, you led us through the Enneagram assessment as a staff. [00:01:16] Speaker B: Yes. Years ago. [00:01:17] Speaker A: Years ago. [00:01:18] Speaker B: Yes. [00:01:19] Speaker A: And then we both kind of like rabbit trail. [00:01:22] Speaker B: Yes. [00:01:23] Speaker A: And we've done multiple deep dives. [00:01:24] Speaker B: So many. Yes. [00:01:26] Speaker A: We love it. So for me, the Enneagram was one of those things that really helped me to figure out who I was. I found a personal freedom when I took the test, but not actually right away. [00:01:37] Speaker B: Right? That's true. [00:01:38] Speaker A: That's true. The first time I took this test, I came out as an enneagram 2, which I always feel like I have to preface and say Enneagram Twos are wonderful, and they are great. We'll talk about it. But as you kind of go through and see, I am not actually an enneagram 2. So it wasn't until I started going through and reading all nine types that I figured out I was actually an enneagram 3. And I had mistyped. And I tell you that just to let you know, if you take the assessment, it will probably give you a couple of different options of things that you might identify as the most. Just because you have a number one and answer or percentage doesn't necessarily mean that's the one that it is. [00:02:19] Speaker B: Right. [00:02:20] Speaker A: I always like to tell people, as you're going through the nine types, listen and see which one hurts your feelings. And that's probably the one that you most likely are. So for me, when I realized I'm actually an Enneagram, three, at that time in my life, I was just actually coming into ministry, had just come on staff not that long ago, and was trying to figure out how Kristen and all of her extra personality and all of these things was supposed to fit into a pastoral leadership role. And so what I was actually doing was hiding all of the parts of myself that I thought didn't really fit that box, didn't really fit that narrative. So I tried to be quieter in voice and personality, in appearance and all of the things, and realize, actually, one, that I saw that I was an Enneagram, three, that God did all of these things on purpose, that he actually created all the parts of me that I was trying to hide all of the things that I thought were not good enough or not right to be used by him in ministry, specifically that he did that on purpose. So it also helps and changed my relationships. Any relationships in particular that you feel like the Enneagram has shifted or changed for you? [00:03:35] Speaker B: Well, I think even just taking it and then along with Naim. [00:03:39] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:03:40] Speaker B: Just helped me have so much more grace and understanding in our marriage. [00:03:45] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:03:46] Speaker B: And then I know, like, when we talked about. We took our staff through it. I think it was just revolutionary for all of us and how we interacted with one another. And even we tweaked some people's job roles based on it. It was a really helpful tool. [00:04:00] Speaker A: I remember sitting in that room and being like. [00:04:05] Speaker B: That'S why you do that. [00:04:06] Speaker A: That's why you are the way that you are. That's why you're not like me. Okay, I get it. I get it. So, yeah, the Enneagram just. It's really a great tool for relationships. I know in my marriage, also, when I realized that Peter and I come from very different triads, which we'll get to in just a second, it helped me to understand this is why you don't think, like I do exactly process or even feel. Feel the way that I want you to feel, actually, because God didn't make you that way. It also changed my relationship with God. When I was able to realize that not only did he create me this way on purpose, but he loves me this way and he actually likes me this way. That was a big thing. I was able to see God in a whole new light. And really start to understand his character and who he was in a very different way. So again, the Enneagram is just a tool. It's a tool for self discovery, for awareness, and for growth. And what it does is it focuses on your motivations. So knowing your Enneagram type will help you understand why you think, feel, and behave in the way that you do. And for other people the same way. It's not a behavior plan. It's not a. A prescriptive behavior. All people who act this way are this type, which I think is a common misconception. It's really about your motivation. And so you can behave or do things that another Enneagram type does, but your internal reasoning for why you do it is very, very different. So there are nine basic types, things that you. What's the word I just lost out of my brain? Identify. We'll do that again. So our nine basic types are nine types that you can identify with. And I want you to think of them as a range of color, Especially if you're kind of the kind of person that's like, don't put me in a box. I don't want to be a number. I don't want to be like everybody else, which maybe you're an Enneagram for. I don't know. Well, we'll see. But think about it like a color. So since I just picked on the fours, we'll use them as an example. An enneagram 4. Let's say they're all blue. So you could be sky blue, you could be Carolina blue. You could be like kindergarten, probably, primary color blue. You could be royal blue, you could be navy blue. They're all going to have the same motivation, but there are different expressions of the way your Enneagram kind of can be lived out. There are also different levels of health. And so we suggest going to all of the other resources that we have recommended for you and really reading about what a healthy version of your type looks like, kind of a mid level, and then what characteristics you might display if you're in an unhealthy space. All right, so let's go through them. There are three triads, really. The head triad, the heart triad, and the gut triad. So I will start with the gut triad. These are the doing types. So if you are an 8, a 9, or a 1, this is where you are. So eights are the protective challenger. Often. Eights are often misunderstood. I would say. Sometimes people are scared of eights, yes, but it's just. That's just their personality that's the way that they are. They're confident, they're powerful, and they're not afraid of confrontation or conflict. Nines on the opposite, seemingly opposite, are the peaceful mediator, also called the accommodator. They like for everything to kind of be complacent, no conflict, and everybody to be agreeable. The other one in the gut triad is the number one, which is the moral perfectionist or the reformer. They really like for things to be right. There's a line generally a lot of morality, right and wrong, good and bad. They want things to just be done the right way because it's the right thing to do. And so all of these eights, nines and ones think with their guts. So they go on gut instinct, the way that they feel, not emotionally feel, but just that gut feeling. They work out of that. They want autonomy and independence. They like control. They can be prone to reacting, and they can also be prone to anger, which, again, is a really interesting thing, especially if we look at an 8 and a 9 differently. An 8 might let you know that they're angry in their reaction, whereas a 9 might simmer it on the inside. So that's the gut triad, 8, 9 and 1. They like to do different things. They're the doing type. Then if we move around the circle there, the next One is the 2, 3 and 4. This is the heart triad. These are the feeling types. These are your emotional, sensitive people. I am an enneagram3, and so I fit very much into this triad. Two threes and fours are relying on their feelings, so they actually trust what they feel more than what they think, more than any other gut instinct. They're focusing and they're attuned to their emotions. So twos are the supportive advisor or the helper. They like to help other people. They want to be generous. They can tend to be people pleasing sometimes and maybe even possessive over certain relationships in their lives. They fear being rejected, and they can be prone to shame or considering other people's emotions more than their own. At times, the three is a successful achiever or a performer. Once again, I have an enneagram 3. This is probably not a surprise to people anymore. Once I figured out how God actually made me. They like to. They're very image conscious. They're driven. They like goals, but it's not always personal. Personal threes also really like to help cheerlead and encourage other people toward becoming their best selves as well. And then the last one in the heart triad is the four, which is often called the Romantic, individualist, sometimes the dreamer or the creative. They really like expression and arts and romantic things, which is not necessarily like love and relationship, but just, you know. [00:10:20] Speaker B: Beauty of the world. [00:10:20] Speaker A: The beauty of the world. That's right. All of the deep emotional things. So twos, threes and fours are the hot. The heart triad. They like to consider all people and they really rely on their emotions. Then the last triad are fives, sixes and sevens. This is the head triad or our thinking types. Ashley, you are in this triad. [00:10:42] Speaker B: I am. I'm in a five. [00:10:43] Speaker A: You are an Enneagram Five. [00:10:45] Speaker B: Totally. I like. I think I'm the poster child for an Enneagram. [00:10:48] Speaker A: I think you are too. Well, and even like you mentioned, when we went through it as a staff, we kind of all realized this and then made you our kind of self appointed librarian, researcher and I was glad. [00:11:00] Speaker B: To step into that role. [00:11:01] Speaker A: But you're very good at it. Yeah, well, you always have a resource for us, so. Yeah. Five sixes and sevens. Fives are the investigative thinker or the researcher. They like to find information and know information so that they can be really capable and be able to explain things to other people. The six is the loyal guardian, sometimes referred to as the prepper, which I don't love that title, but I do understand where it comes from. My husband is the Six. Sixes like to plan, generally because they're afraid of the worst case scenario. Sixes can tend to fear sometimes and fear of the unknown. But the good news is they're always prepared, they always have options. And then the last one is this seven, which is the entertaining optimist or the enthusiast. The seven is the life of the party. They're always having fun. They've got a thousand hobbies or projects happening all at the same time. It could be partly because they're running away from pain, but that's a seven. And five sixes and sevens are in the head triad. So they're very much thinking. They tried actually to repress and not do a whole lot with emotions. They don't necessarily trust their gut feelings, but they think they work within thoughts and facts knowledge. They like predictability and safety and so they like to plan and research out of fear. That was a very, very quick overview of the nine types. Like we said, we would love for you to dig in some more and figure out which type you identify with the most. I would say a common question that we always get, that the Enneagram is about wings. [00:12:38] Speaker B: Yes. [00:12:39] Speaker A: Every class. [00:12:40] Speaker B: Yes. Right. [00:12:40] Speaker A: We feel like, what are wings? [00:12:41] Speaker B: What are Wings. [00:12:42] Speaker A: What are wings? Ash? Can you be a 2 Wing 7? [00:12:45] Speaker B: Nope, you cannot. [00:12:47] Speaker A: So when you think about wings, it's not necessarily the order of the types that were listed again on your assessment. When you think about wings, you have to think about a bird and where the wings are on a bird and they're on either side of the body. So your wings are going to be on either side of your number. So as a 3 3, I can have a wing 2 or I can have a wing 4. You cannot be a 3 wing 8. So sorry, you just can't. I would be a 3 wing 7 if I could pick. I wish I could, but it doesn't work that way. And so all a wing is is. It doesn't mean you become that type. It just means you might lean a little bit on the behaviors of a 2 or on the behaviors of a, of. Of a 4. For me, they can change. They can tweak. You can. You can go back and forth from one to the other or you can be a pretty straight down the middle of the road, 5, 3, or whatever you are. The last thing I want to tell you about the Enneagram and your fire hose of information here as we explain it to you, is that in stress and in growth, when you look at the chart, there are arrows that point different ways. The red arrows will show you what number you kind of become when you're in stress. This can also be healthy stress. Stress doesn't necessarily have to have a negative connotation. And then your yellow arrow shows you where you go in health or in growth. Again, I'll let you guys, you can ask us questions later. Reach out to us if you want to know more about that. But I just want to make sure you understand it doesn't change your type. It doesn't change your motivation. It just is another tool for you to let you know, hey, if your behavior starts to change and you start to act like you a different type, that's not your natural way of behaving or thinking. It could be that you are either growing, which is great, or you could be in a time of stress. It's just another indicator for you for that. A really quick example is that as an enneagram3, I'm a leader. I'm a leader. I have opinions. I always have opinions. I have no problem talking to people and even taking control and leading conversations or projects. But when I am under a lot of stress, I become like an enneagram 9. Enneagram nines don't like to be out Front. They don't like to use their voice. They just want everything to be kind of calm and chill and cool. And so they're very go with the flow. So for me, when I'm in situations where I feel that I am afraid to use my voice or I feel like I shouldn't or can't, that kind of alerts to me that I am probably in a stressful situation or I'm operating within stressful relationships. And sometimes you can't change it. But it just is a tool for me to kind of know, get to know myself better. Like, all right, this is what's happening in my body, in my mind. This is why my emotions are maybe raging right now as somebody in the heart triad. But, yeah, there's no right answer when it comes to your enneagram type. I think the more that you dig in and realize you're going to find that you kind of have parts of all nine of them. You just really lean toward one more than the others. And each number reflects a different piece of God, I think a different piece of God's spirit. And it's when we all come together and actually live into. [00:15:55] Speaker B: Yes. [00:15:56] Speaker A: Not the one that we think we're supposed to be, but who we actually are that God made us to be, that we get to see a really beautiful full picture of God on display through the body of Christ. [00:16:07] Speaker B: Absolutely. That's what I love about this and that we are so passionate about. It is just being able to embrace who you are and how God created you is so powerful. [00:16:18] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:16:18] Speaker B: And it's not just powerful for ourselves. It's also powerful for the body of believers, for the church, for all of us. Because when you fully stepped into your role, you became a beautiful example for my daughter. To see a woman living out her full potential in her giftings. And I love that. So thank you for that. But in every other area, like when we can just really learn more about ourselves and also in spiritual gifts. And so that's why we have both of these as part of this class. Right. [00:16:57] Speaker A: They definitely work in tandem, for sure. And I think as people go through. I'll let you explain that too, at the end. Kind of take your enneagram and your spiritual gifts and see. And I bet they kind of align. [00:17:07] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:17:07] Speaker A: A little bit. So. [00:17:08] Speaker B: Yes. [00:17:08] Speaker A: Yeah. Why don't you walk us through that? [00:17:10] Speaker B: Yes. And, you know, like you were talking about, like, we have been given different gifts, different personalities, all of these things. Maybe some of you growing up, you've heard about this concept of spiritual gifts. Maybe you haven't. Maybe you're brand new to this idea. Maybe some of you have heard there are certain spiritual gifts that don't happen anymore. Like, there's. There's a lot out there. There's a lot of different things. But we're going to just kind of give a broad overview of spiritual gifts and what they are. And then, of course, like with the Enneagram, we'll link up to some useful tools to help you dig a little deeper. So spiritual gifts are basically just unique abilities that God gives us through the Holy Spirit. It can be kind of a natural talent with a supernatural bent or maybe a supernatural manifestation, which just means like something that's exhibited in First Corinthians, chapter 12, 4 through 11 in the message version. I love how this explains this. It says on all kinds of things are handed out by the Spirit and to all kinds of people. The variety is wonderful. Wise counsel, clear understanding, simple trust, healing the sick, miraculous gifts, proclamation, distinguishing between spirits, tongues, interpretation of tongues. All these gifts have a common origin, the Holy Spirit, but are handed out by one spirit of God. He decides who gets what and when. [00:18:40] Speaker A: I love that. [00:18:41] Speaker B: So beautiful. So while these gifts are bestowed upon all of us who follow and serve God, they. They are essential tools for serving the church, serving the body of believers, and just in our lives in general. I love this quote from author Sandstorm in the Beginner's Guide to Spiritual Gifts. He says spiritual gifts are nothing less than God himself in us, energizing our souls, imparting revelation to our minds, infusing power in our wills, and working his gracious purposes through us. Spiritual gifts are God present in, with, and through human thoughts, human deeds, human words, human love. [00:19:33] Speaker A: I love that. [00:19:34] Speaker B: Isn't that beautiful? We try to make it, I think, more complicated than it can be. But at its core, it's just the Holy Spirit working in and through us to accomplish his purpose and his will. Right. [00:19:48] Speaker A: It doesn't have to be as scary as certain denominations. I know, at least for me, made. [00:19:54] Speaker B: It sound like me too. Right, Right. [00:19:56] Speaker A: The Holy Ghost. [00:19:57] Speaker B: I don't know what that means. Right. So as we talked about, there are a variety of spiritual gifts. And because we want to try to make sense of things, we can categorize them into three main groupings. Supernatural gifts, they're serving gifts, and then there are speaking gifts. And you have everything from healing and prophecy, leadership, evangelism, speaking in tongues, all of these things, you. Each gift serves a distinct purpose in building up the body of Christ. So as I mentioned, there's a tote. There's our different types of gifts. They're all of equal importance. There's not like this hierarchy of, like, this is the most important gift and work your way down from there. Right. But you can read about them in different passages. So you can read about them in Romans 12, 6, 8, in 1 Corinthians 12, 4, 11, and in 1st Corinthians 12:28. But like I mentioned, the different types, there's supernatural gifts such as apostleship, prophecy, speaking in tongues, miracles. There's serving gifts such as mercy giving, administration, leadership, and then speaking gifts such as evangelism, words of wisdom, exhortation, which is one that we always get questions about. And hopefully another time we could do another podcast where we do a deep dive into each one of the guests. But in the meantime, we can definitely link up to some more resources on explaining those. But again, as we mentioned, they're all to work together. There's a passage of scripture in 1 Corinthians 12:17 that talks about kind of the gifts in relation to the whole body. So, like, if an eye is, you know, doesn't want to be an eye, or the ear doesn't want to be an ear, like, we need every single part of the body to step up and be fully itself and utilize its gifts for the body. Right. So what. What do we do about this? First of all, I need to get my notes in order. We want to discover the types of gifts that we have. Right. So we have an assessment for that. Of course. And again, notice the word assessment. [00:22:23] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:22:23] Speaker B: This is just helping us think through what our gifts, our personality, all these things might be. It's not an end all, be all. It's not. If I took this, then this is it, and this is all there is. When I took the assessment, my gifts and my top ones were mercy, administration, which was no surprise to anyone, teaching, service and discernment. And so some of these, I needed to learn a little more. Like, what does that mean? What does that look like? So we do have the gift, the test, the assessment that you can take. But again, just remembering it's just a tool. [00:23:00] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:23:00] Speaker B: Because, like, with the Enneagram, maybe when you start to read more about it, you recognize something, something kind of clicks with you, and you're like, oh, maybe that is one. I did a little random search, again, because I am an enneagram. 5. I found three 15 ebooks alone. [00:23:18] Speaker A: Okay. [00:23:18] Speaker B: At the local library on spiritual gifts. Awesome. So there is a wealth of resources out there. Now, obviously, you're Going to have different interpretations and understandings of things. But also you can just reflect on your own experiences and abilities, like, what are you naturally good at, what activities bring you a sense of fulfillment and joy. And I imagine this was big for you as you kind of leaned into being called as to being a pastor. Teaching. [00:23:48] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:23:49] Speaker B: When you gave yourself permission to think about what do I enjoy? Did you see that? [00:23:54] Speaker A: Yeah. Well, and also, I'm so glad that you asked this, because I want to talk about teaching because it's a gift of both of ours. [00:24:00] Speaker B: Yes. [00:24:01] Speaker A: And I think that this is something too. Like, I know when I got teaching because I've taken this before and grown up in the church, I was like, well, of course, I was a kindergarten teacher for most of my adult life. [00:24:11] Speaker B: Yes. [00:24:11] Speaker A: You know, up until a certain point. So I just thought that meant teaching. Teaching was education, classroom. This is what I'm going to do. It's embarrassing probably, to admit how long it took me to realize as a pastor that I was like, oh, this is actually the same thing. I'm still using the gift of teaching. [00:24:26] Speaker B: Right. [00:24:26] Speaker A: And then you got the gift of teaching. [00:24:28] Speaker B: Yes. [00:24:28] Speaker A: And had to realize it looks very different. Very different. [00:24:31] Speaker B: Yes. Yeah. Because, I mean, I. Being around, like, Naim and then you and seeing your gifts and teaching, like, I looked at that and said, no, that I don't. Not wired up that way, but over time have been able to realize mine is a lot more in, like, the research. I mean, I love sending both of you resources and information and outlines and descriptions of things and. But then even teaching on, like, this level, more of a. Like, I love just taking all these resources and the information and, like, trying to get it to make sense. Yeah. [00:25:05] Speaker A: So during the pandemic, we started something on social media called morning breath. If you've been with us, if you haven't been with us since then, you can still go on a deep dive. On our social media, there are, I mean, hundreds, probably so many morning breaths because we thought we were cute and we were breathing life into you in the morning. [00:25:23] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:25:24] Speaker A: I still think it's funny. [00:25:25] Speaker B: It was fun. [00:25:25] Speaker A: And I. I would venture to say that was one of the first times that you stepped into. [00:25:29] Speaker B: Yes. [00:25:30] Speaker A: Your teaching gift. [00:25:31] Speaker B: Yes, I would agree with that. And I was so nervous doing it. And then I ended up really enjoying. [00:25:37] Speaker A: It a lot and becoming one of our best teachers. Morning breath, too, I would say. [00:25:41] Speaker B: Well, thank you. And. But you know what I did? I practiced my gift. [00:25:46] Speaker A: Yeah. Right. [00:25:46] Speaker B: And that's another thing, is as you step into this as you start to learn more, then we would just encourage you, like, practice it, like, step out in faith. I know even recently, you just have no idea what a blessing you could be to someone if you allow God to use you, especially in other people's lives. Recently, I was having a very rough Sunday morning, honestly. And I was just had some stuff going on. And this lady that definitely did not know my personal life or where I was personally, but was a part of our church, she came over to me during 60 seconds and just gave me some very encouraging words and said, hey, I think God wants you to know this, and can I just tell you, like, it was dead on, and it was exactly what I need to hear in that moment. [00:26:33] Speaker A: And. [00:26:33] Speaker B: And it really helped me turn my morning around. And so she was fulfilling being part of the body of Christ and using her gifts in encouraging someone else. And so I'm so grateful for that. [00:26:46] Speaker A: I love the word gift because it makes me think of a present. [00:26:48] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:26:49] Speaker A: And that's what I picture our spiritual gifts, too. God's like, hey, I'm giving you this present. I'm giving you this gift. I'm giving you this thing. And so he would rather you open it. [00:26:58] Speaker B: Yes. [00:26:59] Speaker A: And try to figure out how to use it and maybe do it wrong, like, at first, like, but at least you're trying versus just taking that gift and going, I don't know what this is or how to use it, so I'm just gonna put it on a shelf. [00:27:09] Speaker B: Right. [00:27:10] Speaker A: Like, that's a bummer. [00:27:11] Speaker B: That is. That is. And, you know, the more we can just step out bravely and do it, and we'll see God moving. And it is such a blessing. [00:27:20] Speaker A: So we get better with it. [00:27:21] Speaker B: Yes. And you can explore different areas. I mean, hey, it's okay to fail in something. Like, I. On. On occasion, like, I have tried to teach alone on a Sunday morning, and I don't love it, and I don't think it serves our community best, but when Naim and I do it together, I think it creates a whole different dynamic. And so you just. There's different ways to live out your gifts and work through your gifts and figure them out. But I love this quote again from the same book, the Beginner's Guide to Spiritual Gifts by Sam Storms. I think this is a beautiful thing. Like, we can try to research and read and learn about it and all of that, but at the end of the day, it's just walk it out. Right. He says if we spend less time searching to identify our spiritual gifts, and more time actually praying and giving and helping and teaching and serving and encouraging those around us. The likelihood greatly increases that we will walk headlong into our gifting without ever knowing what happened. God will more likely meet us in the midst of trying to help his children than he ever would while we're taking tests and waiting to figure it out. [00:28:34] Speaker A: Yeah, that's all right. [00:28:36] Speaker B: I love that. So I would just encourage us to remember that our spiritual gifts, again, are given for the benefit of others, for the building up of the church, and they're meant to be used and practiced by all of us, regardless of title or position. You don't have to have a title. Right. Or a position. [00:28:54] Speaker A: Right. [00:28:54] Speaker B: To walk in the gifts that God has given us. [00:28:56] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:28:57] Speaker B: So. [00:28:57] Speaker A: And we believe that you can use these in your everyday life. You know, we are all about the church being at the church and not just the church being a place that you come to I Sunday morning. And so we think that you can use these in your daily life. You don't have to be in a quote unquote spiritual setting to work these out in your office with no kid. Like, there are all kinds of places. And also, we would love for you to practice your spiritual gift here at Mosaic. We would love for you to get connected. We would love for you to find a way to within our community, maybe test them out a little bit, like you said during 60 seconds, maybe there's somebody you feel like you're supposed to pray for or go encourage or go talk to. The other cool thing is that people can affirm it in you. [00:29:43] Speaker B: Yes. [00:29:43] Speaker A: You know, you affirmed that. That lady who came over, when you let her know, like, hey, this is what happens, or when you pray for someone and then they let you know God actually spoke through you, we're able to affirm the gifts of other people. [00:29:56] Speaker B: Yes. [00:29:57] Speaker A: So we would love for you to actually team the next class. And the last class as part of NEXT will help you to better understand what volunteer opportunities are available for you at Mosaic. I've also been known to absolutely make up volunteer positions. [00:30:13] Speaker B: Definitely. Yeah, we will do that. [00:30:14] Speaker A: If you're like, this is my gift and I don't know where to use it, we would love to help you figure out what that is. So, yeah, be sure to check out Team Next and if you have any questions, reach out to us for resources, answers, more conversations, any of it. [00:30:27] Speaker B: Yeah.